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October 17, 2006

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Ron Dean

Notably, as reported in USA Today, that venerable source, the Kaiser Foundation has published a study concluding that it's time we talked about rationing health care. It also notes, as Jeff & Norman have noted, that the political climate, unlike the Earth's climate, will not be warming anytime soon towards changing the health care system as we know it.

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=40473

Ron Dean

I agree with Norman that pushing the "submit" button is always better than pushing the "delete" button. Those who say it's better to be silent than sorry aren't living life to its fullest.

Norman Stein

I agree with Jeff that it is difficult, perhaps impossible, to ration care, especially if the wealthy can opt into private markets. What we can do, though, is redirect medical research priorities today, focusing on (i) improving quality of life rather than extending life for older adults; (2) finding less expensive therapies for expensive treatments now available; (3) curing diseases that afflict the young; (4) developing therapies that keep people out of expensive nursing facilities. If we don't create expensive new technologies, we don't have to worry about rationing them or, more likely, paying for them for everyone who would benefit from them. All this will not, of course, help a lot, but it might help ease future costs a little. I know there is a lot wrong with what I just wrote (how much research is actually devoted to extending life of older folks--and what is older, anyway?)and I probably shouldn't post in public ideas that just pop into my head, but I've already spent a few minutes on this and it is probably more satisying to push the submit button on the computer than erasing this. At least from the standpoint of immediate gratification.

Also, I agree with Frank entirely. I actually favor as a first step national catastrophic insurance, which I think eases a number of problems with our current system, although it solves completely few of them. And of course you get to the rationing question pretty quickly when you are dealing with national catastrophic insurance.

Ron Dean

Well, let's respond to Jeff first. Rationing of care is, of course, a political hot potato (no "e" at the end). While my idea does not take a position of whether or how health care should be rationed, it is set up to accommodate whatever decision is made. If the Base doesn't provide for a procedure, or for limited procedures or costs, so be it. Should you be able to buy private insurance on top of that in the event the Base doesn't cover it? Why not? So, the wrap around is modified, and only those who purchase that insurance will have that coverage.

As to Frank's comment, while I appreciate that Frank doesn't think it's a good idea because it isn't universal healthcare, I don't understand why it isn't a fair compromise between those in favor of, and those opposed to, universal health care.

Frank Cummings

Ron, you ask "so whaddya think?" and my answer is "ya gotta be kidding."

There are so many things wrong with this not-quite-national-health plan. Ya wanna get national health? Get it - all of it, including single payer. Then at least yer emplyers will have a level playing field with foreign competition, since all the other manufacturing countries have national health already.

The one good thing I can say about this idea is that, if you view it as a first step toward national health, then fine - it's just the sort of first step that will collapse quickly and lead to the second. Get on with it, if that's what you have in mind!

Frank

Jeff Clayton

The proposal does not deal with a major underlying issue. That is we currently have more care available than we can afford. In countries where medical care is financed by the government, there is rationing of care, either some care is not available or you must wait months or years for the procedure. Who is going to say for example, we won't pay for coronary by-pass surgery if you are older than X or you don't meet certain minimum criteria (which is what happens in some government systems)? Or who will say this is all that we do for premature babies and beyond that the care is not available?

Who is willing to shorten the patent period for drugs or make it easier for companies to make generics?

In our egalitarian culture, we have sense of entitlement to every possible proceedure or drug and that's that. Who will make the hard decisions that ultimately must be made if we are not to go broke paying for everyone's care? I can imagine that Congress will do a great job of saying no, just like they always do.

I'm sure the President would love to promulgate regulations which limit access to care.

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