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January 26, 2007

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Don Levit

Roy:
I am in complete agreement with you.
Not only are Medicare and Social Security in financial trouble, the continuance of the plans is also in doubt.
The federal government has complete control, in that it can demand contributions, while also have the discretion to modify, terminate, or amend the plans (similar to what employers can do now).
So, not only would we get away from an employer-based system through universal health care. We also would allow the government to take even more of our liberties away from us than what employers do, in regard to benefit continuation and solvency standards.
Don Levit

Roy Harmon

Norman,

We have several broad social programs that are on life-support. Before we start yet another, we need to think carefully about finances. I know you know this, but the public is easily drawn to the idea that Uncle Sam will fix it for us just like we look to our parents when we are young. We are all adults now and we know every expense has to find a paycheck some where to cover it. I love this country, but it is foolish to think that even our huge wealth can cover all that is demanded of it in this economy. Before we abandon the market principles that have brought America to the dominance we enjoy, I simply urge caution and careful attention to what a private sector approach could contribute. For those still left needful, then sure, let's find a public sector solution. At present, we have the worst of both worlds when we could seek the best.

Roy

Norman Stein

Roy, I was not suggesting that larger pools create important new efficiencies; once a pool is large enough, presumably any further efficiency is trivial. I was obsrving that one of the orthodox arguments favoring employer-provided health care is that employers facilitate pooling risk and that this is good. But this is certainly not an advantage that employer-sponsored health care has over a national health care system. I do not think that creating a nation-wide risk pool can impact health care cost as a percentage of gdp.

And I agree with you that to cut costs we have to ration. A bit earlier in the history of this blog site (is that what this is, generically speaking, a blog site, or is there some other way cooler name?--have to ask my 14-year old), I suggested that one thing we might start doing is redirecting research dollars away from research that, if succesful, will promise expensive new treatments. Instead, perhaps, we should be focusing on research that will reduce the cost of current treatments, that will cure diseases that primarily afflict the young, and that will reduce suffering for people suffering terminal illnesses late in life. It is a lot easier to justify rationing of research dollars than it is to ration expensive, life-extending treatments that are already in our medical arsenal.

And I realize that real rationing of such treatments is necessary if we are truly going to cut costs and that the debate over rationing will be a difficult national experience.

Roy Harmon

Norman,

The concept that a larger pool of covered individuals somehow leads to economies of scale simply because it is a larger pool takes some liberties with logical progression. On the other hand, what we have in the U.S. is not really entirely a market-based system. To set it up as such and compare to a "national system" creates a false dichotomy, and neither approach offers much assurance for the long term.

At some point, resources will be rationed under a national health program. That is the pressing issue, particularly in view of our demographics, that is usually unaddressed. If government-provided services are not as competitive in resource allocation as the private sector (I will spare you the examples for now), the consequences of whether we improve our system or abandon it should be of great significance to our aging population.

Roy Harmon

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