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June 27, 2008

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Frank Cummings

Guys, this conversation is mind-boggling, as in Alice in Wonderland --

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here.

Frank

Ron Dean

Judy, Judy, Judy. Ok, the answer is "yes" - they can get extra credit. Since MetLife decided that a "history of biased claims administraton" is relevant, then so too would be the converse.

I can't wait to get discovery on that plan's history of claims administration.

judy mazo

I agree that the opinion(s) amount to nonsense--embarrassing, actually. But as to Norman's question, when is there no conflict? At the risk of sounding vicariously self-serving, I submit that trustees of multiemployer Taft-Hartley plans generally don't have the kinds of conflict Norman identifies. That's because the Taft-Hartley structure, which mandates equal representation of employer and employee interests, builds in a conflict-offset mechanism. Employers want to minimize costs, union officials want to keep their members happy (and voting for their re-election to union office), so in the aggregate their judgments tend not to be biased. (This disregards, of course, individual situations that would be arbitrary or unacceptable under any standard, such as reactions based on personal or political hostility.)

As a matter of fact, multiemployer fund benefit decisions tend to be very pro-claimant, and often it is their lawyers and consultants who have to warn that, however sympathetic the claim, it is not covered under the terms of the plan. Do decision-makers get extra deference if the conflict is in the participant's favor but they nevertheless reject the claim?

Ron Dean

As they say on "Law and Order," is there a question in there counsel?

I stand to defend the decision, both majority and dissent. (1) Does a conflict that infected the decision count? Everyone agrees it does; (2) Does a conflict that didn't infect the decision count? Majority -somewhat (which can be reduced by Walls); dissent - not at all.

Roberts' Question: The other factors equal an abuse of discretion (not saying which of Norm's 5 norms he used), so isn't conflict is irrelevant.

But Norm brings us to the right question, now that we know "conflict" is a factor. What is an abuse of discretion, 1 or 2?

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